ISSUE # 2
May - June 1999


Another opinion about different between Chaos Punk and Peace Punk.//Think Clearly//Interview with
DESECRATE//News...News...News//KOOF Faundation//Scene Report//
Another opinion about different between Chaos Punk and Peace Punk.About meaning peace punk. What you think about peace punk? It’s really simply. Keep up peace way!! No macho violent dancing, keep up equality, and it's same as view of d.i.y.punk and anarcho punk. Maybe you know. What is peace way at your local scene, and we against fuck'n system. Capitalism still exploit to 3rd world workers, natures, and making good life in rich countrys. Peace punks are against, protest that kind of capital system. And system still brainwashed people, and it's way of war!! Peace/d.i.y./anarcho punks are spreading our idea. And make good friend ship with out money & bussines. I don't know meaning of chaos punk. But all people not perfect and still brain washed by the system. And some time punks against punks. Also, punk is one part of music and fashion. Some people wanna be a rock star or fashion leader. But they are victims of system. And we have different view. So, I don't mind that kind of wanna bees!! If our scene will growing up more big. All people learning more about punk -peace/d.i.y./anarcho way. So, every day spread our idea. And act now!!! Punk is life!! I think so....
By:Ryuji Asada (Battle Of Disarm)
email: bod-diy@mti.biglobe.ne.jp

Think Clearly.
As we all know that LRT is the most effective form of transportation for the past few months. They give us many benefits such as to get rid of the traffic jams that we are facing right now and we can get to the destination shortly and safely.
       But your eyes are closed! Are you really sure and satisfied with the train fares? For your information I'm not threatening or trying to boycott. What I'm trying to say is, think and consider the bad side of the system. Actually, we don't have to protest if a system goes wrong.
       We see the community as of crucial importance to everyone. It is obvious now that any major industrial battles will not succeed without massive community support. Crime and other anti-social behavior, racism and sexism must be fought from within our communities.
       I felt extremely disappointed because there're some people who can't afford to pay such high fares for example, people with low income.
      Capitalism (an economic system run purely for profit) has nothing to offer us except for endless of war, famine, recession and unemployment. It is not inevitable that it will die of it's own accord. It could linger on for centuries yet, lurching from crisis to crisis. Therefore it must be destroyed. I have said to you earlier. I'm not an activist or anything like that who is trying to boycotts this LRT system.
       However, the only thing I'm asking you to do is "Think Clearly" is the fare appropriate.

                 By Adik (The Bollocks) September 1997
DESECRATE
Desecrate is the peacepunx band from Lion City (Singapore). This is one of my favorite bands. I like their music style and of course their political and frustration lyrics. This interview is done via email so check this out.
PICTURE //BAND PHOTO//LOGO
Please tell me about Desecrate since the beginning and line up.
Hi Nizam here reporting and this are of what I know. Desecrate was form in 1995 with the line up, Nizam-guitar, Jali-bass, Wan-drums, and Salihin-vox using our former name "Teenage Slackers", and we release a 4 trax EP called "We Don't Want Ur Bloody War". During 1996, new members recruited into Teenage Slackers and we change our band's name to "Desecrate"-meaning A threat to multinational, sexist, and racist government. Amir and Fadhil then join the line-up with Amir on vox and Fadil on guitar. We started jamming new songs and released a 10 trax EP under our own DIY label called "Anonymous Activist". The response quite good and we were invited to play at Youth Park. But due to some reason, Jali and Fadil had to leave the band for some personal reason. We are now left with no second guitarist and bassist. We managed to get Cenga(guitar) and Wan Senget(bass) to play for us. That was the best line up ever was till July of 98. We record another 10 trax EP called "Massgenocide" and release it under Broken Noise Records. Due to some misunderstanding and conflict, we decided to call it quits on July 98, but after a lot of persuasion by a lot of friends, we form back Desecrate with a new line up, Nizam on guitar/vox, San(Insurrection) on vox, Jali(ex member) on bass, Wan Senget on guitar and sharwan on drums. This is our line-up till now.

What is your type of musical and influence band?
Categorizing is not what we achieved. We play what we want and I don't want to categorizing my band into a category like Anarcho, Crust and Grind. It's up to people to judge what style of music we play, to know better get our latest EP thru Broken Noise Records. About our influences, there a lot but to name some like DropDead, Confirmed Kill, WolfPack, Crucifix, Mind Continue, Battle Of Disarm,and many more(to much to mention).

What the lyrics are about and who wrote it?
We write a lot about injusticeness of the system. The corruption of polices, the war, animal liberation and many more. We are strongly opposed of what is in the negative site like homophobic, sexist and racist shit. About the lyrics, it's me who does the lyrics and the songs. Nothing to be proud of.

Besides in the band what are you guys doing? Any side project?
Yeah! Me, Wan, Wan Senget and San are playing for my grindcore band, "Insurrection". We had also released a 10 trax EP under Broken Noise Records. I'm doing a zine called "Express Your Outrage" and will be releasing my second issue on early January. To get it please send US$3/RM5 to my address. San is doing his National Service. Jali, Wan and Wan Senget are still studying. That's all.

What does Punk meant to you?
Punk is about what you feel and what you don't like about what is happening. It doesn't meant that wearing a jacket full of studs and patches makes you a Punk or even spiking your hair. It's about peace and love. For those who think Punk is just about chaos and violence, you better leave this scene and join the mainstream. One more thing what you wear reflects you. Doesn't mean your wear all those patches and studs make you a knowledgeable guy. What counts is in your brain not what you wear, but just don't wear designer things coz if you wear them, it's mean that you are a rich bastard! Punk doesn't mean. For those who have a band play more anti-authorian songs and you will know what Punk is all about. I have more to talk but I don't think it is necessary. If you want to know more, give me a call or write to me.

Do you think the band like The Exploited is an anarchist band and the great Punk band? Why?
No. The Exploited is not an anarchist band. They're racist/fascist band. It's better that you listen to Crucifix of Conflict coz they sings more about the govt, system and etc. I don't see any anarchist lyrics on Exploited. For those who still listen to Exploited, wise up. Order things from DIY label and you will know why being Punk is not just about listening to Exploited. There still more Punk bands in the world! Not just Exploited.

What is your opinion on Punk on major label? "Major label should be boycott". Agree?  Why?
For me those Punk bands on major label should not be labeled a punk band but a sell out, money minded band non-political shit. You don't need the help of major labels to help you released your songs or EP. We still believe in our DIY ethics that don't support the major label like Epitaph and SCR. Don't support those bands coz they just rip off your money buying CD's and they sings about shits! Yeah, I agree major label should be boycott coz they are not to what you want to spread or say but just for the music and most important thing these greedy business profits wankers want……$MONEY$! Don't be rip off by the profits making labels.

Your comment about the nuclear test in India and Pakistan. And USA/Britain attacked Iraq.
To me it's their war. It's their fuckin business. For me peace no war coz war just kills more and more innocents. Stop these war and reunite or we will die from it! This racist government like USA and Britain just want to show their power in nuclear and weapons shit but innocents suffer. Fuck all these war coz we are suffering you are gaining.

Do you guys doing any project like collective works, label, distro etc. Please tell me more.
Like I told you before, I'm doing a fanzine called "Express Your Outrage". The others are just helping me out. We are planning to give out leaflets about boycotting McDonalds soon and we will be releasing new stuffs for Desecrate and Insurrection. We are looking for bands to do split with us. Coz it's better to hear 2 or more bands in one tape. In meanwhile u can hear 2 bands spreading their massages!

Do you see any different between Chaos Punk's and Peace Punk's?
Tell me about peace punk and chaos punk means to you. I know some chaos Punks are just into the scene to kill the Punk scene. It’s like they don’t know what Punk mean. They think punk are you got to do bad stuff like drinking, drugs and bashing people faces. To me this kind of thing will kill the punk movement. Every where I go; I see the same thing over ad over again. A lot of punk nowadays they are more into fashion and trend Its like they are in the scene just to get attention from people all around. To show that they are young and dangerous and everyone else are suppose to be scare of them. Beating people up is just a normal thing to do. Beating without a reason, sometimes because they are drunk or maybe just for fun. Everyday makes more and more fights and enemy It is not that we can’t fight. We fight, but for a reason, for a course. If there is a reason to fight, we fight together, unite as one. Actually I really don’t understand chaos punks. Why they are in the scene the first place? Because punk are cool? To be in gang? To get people respect? There’s no point beating everyone you don’t like. You only end up with lots of enemy. Even if we fight, we fight for a reason for a cause. If there is the reason to fight, we will fight together because we all brothers we must help one another. We work together. We fight together and we must stay unite(to me the word umite is bullshit. What happen to you claiming to be a peace punk but are into bangla bashing and beating innoncent people. You’re claiming to be Anti Racism and anarchist but you’re doing the wrong thing. Sometime I think back why did I choose to be in the punk scene if I know that it will be kill by the Punk itself. Peace is the way of life and this kind of people that will keep the scene alive. to me punk doesnt means chaos and violence its bullshit.............be a peace punk cos it will help u to bring more communications and friends!

'Hardline is just another form of fascism. Hardline ideology is against gay and lesbian. Kill all people who smoke and drink. Hardline is anti choice'. Any comment about this. Why?
Well hardline is just another form of fascism and racist bullshit! We don't support hardline cos the way of what hardliners are doing are abusing and disrespecting people way and that's bullshit to us. Its just another form of violence which we don't support HARDLINE IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF BULLSHIT VIOLENCE!

Do you guys support any animal liberation, earth liberation and human liberation?
Yeah, We will always support this kindda movement, we are trying to make any kids of movement here secretly, coz Singapore system is bullshit! By the way…lets us strive for human liberation first before we strive for animal liberation!

Tell me your opinion on abortion, capital punishment, and prostitution.
Abortion is another form of criminal act and inhumane. Mostly those who undergo abortion are losers and can’t face the society. Unresponsible men are responsible for the rise of abortion. Men who just want some fun but in the end making the female to get pregnant! But we can't blame those who undergo abortion in the case of being a victim of rape. They are forces to abort these innocent beings. Capital punishment-well can’t say much about this but those whom undergo capital punishment has also the rite to say back for their rites. Capital punishment is necessary but not killing and abusing. Yeah it may seem weird in the form I say... Now u tells urself...must a rapist or a planned murderer be spared for what they done? Think for urself? Prostitution is another thing, which should be abolish...but most of these involved are forced.... Because of being unable to pay their debt and etc....Prostitution just bring more sickness and we must abolish Prostitution cos women are abused...

People fight the capitalism but the fact is they also sometimes contribute to the system, how do you feel?
Yeah it's true. We cant run away from the system cos the system u hate is the system u support! For me...we still need a government to govern us but a govt based on justice and equality... Let me ask the readers this question... What will happen if we are to abolish the govt? Who will take care of us? Think again!

How is the punk scene in your country?
To tell u the truth... Its fuck up. Punks here condemn punks like us...they say that crusty and punks are different and etc....To me I don't support this kindda people cos to me they are just bringing down the scene...into the scene just for fame and glamour.

Please list 10 your favorite bands.
Ok this is just my own list not the others...DROPDEAD, ACCION
MUTANTE, BATTLE OF DISARM, DAHMER, DEMISOR, CONFLICT, DISAGREE, UNGOVERNMENTAL, TOLSHOCK, ANTISCHISM, ENEMY
SOIL, RIOT/CLONE...bla…bla…bla… Too much to mention.

Any future plans after this.
Yeah we would be releasing new materials soon but I would like it to be forming a split release coz you get to hear 2 bands in one tape or vinyl. It's more worth the money!

Last words to the readers especially to all punk out there.
I would like to thanx Azmie for interviewing us. All those who supports Desecrate, we would be glad if people can call us us to play for gigs even for free cos. Massages is to spread in the form in the form of music as music also a form of movement. To all those into the scene, read more and to those who are doing a band play more anti-authorial songs! Thanx also to those who reads this interview…

News//News//News//News/
Since  April  to March 1999
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KOOF FOUNDATION
Well here the brief about the foundation. The KOOF FOUNDATION is a sub-organization of coalition of retaliation youth, which concentrate, and sincerely in hipe of making things better of the aborigines. With no racial excluvities involve...the activities are in no hope in modernizing and centralizing their social live...for a start KOOF tends to concentrate more on the specific problems that the local aborigines ara facing...it seems that the aborigines are considered as a sub-race of Malaysian although they are the first settlers of the land. If not a sub-race maybe less. These unjustified living conditions will help to ease by lending a hand to those needed. By doing this we can hope to extend it too more helpful, organization, local and global. It is no-hierarchic and decentralized body. Well I think that's enough for the intro of KOOF.                                Peace// Lee Ai

Scene Report
Shah Alam Do-It-Yourself Scene Report.
Assalammualaikum kepada semua Muslims dan salam sejahtera kepada semua non-Muslims readers. Aku disini menulis bagi pihak scene Shah Alam kat sini. Sebelum itu aku nak mintak maaf bebanyak jikalau report ini menyinggung perasaan korang. (You know who you’re). Ok lah tanpa membuang masa lagi mari kita check it bersama. Shah Alam ialah iibu negeri Selangor yang terletak di antara Petaling Jaya dan juga Klang. Sebuah kawasan yang tidak seberapa besar sangat. Scene u/g kat sini dah lama bertapak tapi tidak menyerlah sangat dan kalau tak silap aku ianya telah bertapak dari tahun 1989 hingga sekarang. Masa dulu –dulu  nak cari stuff pun skit punya susah, zine, band kat sini kurang. Boleh di kira dengan jari lagi. Dahulunya scene kat sini bergelar “Shah Alam Underground Scene”  dan dua tiga tahun kebelakangan ini ada timbul sedikit krisis dan akhirnya nama “S.A.U.S” telah bertukar menjadi “S.A.D.I.Y.S” (ed-seperti tajuk di atas) tidak ada leader di antara kita dan kami boleh co-operate di antara satu sama lain and not to compete among us! Boleh dikatakan semua bebudak satu kepala.
          Oklah, cerita pasal band – band kat sini pulak sekarang dah banyak bagaikan cendawan tumbuh selepas hujan. Band – band yang ada ialah The Dirty Dogs (dahulunya dari K. Lipis) yang berkonsepkan Raw-Punk, Red Enforce Head band yang berkonsepkan Melodic HC, Fighting ’94 iaitu band Oi!, 2 Faces band HC, Over Tuned (Punk Rock), Conflict Of Anger (HC), 8096 (tidak diketahui), Sweet Insect (indie), Conflict Of Emotion (HC), Blindrage (HC+sk8 Punk), Vertebrate (Industrial), F.S.F. (Punk Rock dari Kedah), Undermine Consumer (band projek yg berkonsepkan Grunge), Your Generation (Punk Rock), The Spit (Punk Rock), The Uncure (tidak di ketahui), Arayzia (Klasik Black Metal), Sphinx (Indie Punk Rock),  Pink Houri (Indie Punk), Psyco War (Ska+Punk) dan banyak lagi yang mungkin aku tak ketahui. Setiap band mempunyai style atau konsep music yang berbeza. Kat sini dah release 2 demo kompilasi dan ianya dibuat secara DIY iaitu SAUS part 1, band-band yang main ialah Over Tuned, Red Enforce Head, Sweet Bitter Pills, 2 Faces, Pyscoduke, Fighting ’94, dan juga Conflict Of Anger. Demo kompilasi yang satu lagi namanya ialah “Born In Shah Alam” dan band – band yang join-venture dalam demo tersebut ialah Vertebrate, The Spit, Undermine Consumer, Conflict Of Emotion, 8096 dan juga band Sweet Insect.
           Sekarang ni kita certa pasal zine pula. Untuk pengetahuan korang zine kat sini tak banyak, cuma ada 4 – 5 zine sahaja atau ada lebih lagi yang mungkin aku tak tahu. Dulu pun cuma ada satu zine sahaja yang wujud iaitu CORMS mag. (RIP). Oklah ini dia pulak senarai zine yang ada kat Shah Alam ni. Piss Of Mine, Lavazza zine (RIP kot?), The Oppressed zine, Circa Malee zine, Anarchy and Chaos zine, dan juga zine low – profile ni iaitu zine aku sendiri.
           Ok la, aku rasa itu sajalah yang boleh aku buat untuk korang semua. Aku berharap korang semua berpuas hati dengan apa yang telah aku sampaikan di sini dan jikalau tidak berpuas hati jugak, cuba ikhtiar buat sendiri dan buat scene report sendiri. Ok! Come out and support your local underground scene, do keep it strong and alive! Segala kesilapan dan juga kesalahan sama ada disengajakan atau pun tidak disengajakan amatlah dikesali. Harap korang betulkan aku! Aku mengucapkan bebanyak terima kasih kepada editor fanzine ini kerana memberi sedikit ruang untuk aku menulis serba sedikit tentang scene report yang tak seberapa ini untuk korang readers semua. Chow….
By: Kia.
“Very Fresh Underground”
Segamat terletak di utara Johor dan agak terpencil dari segi pembanggunan dan kemajuan tidak seperti beberapa bandar di Johor ni. U/g scene di sini telah mula bertapak sejak tahun 1992. Pada masa itu, hanya segelintir sahaja follower u/g. Mengikut cerita pioneer di sini, sejarah u/g scene bermula dengan follower trash/death/metal dan hanya sekadar follower sahaja, tiada sebarang band, zine, activiti dll. Sehingga pada tahun 1994, beberapa buah band dan zine telah muncul. Antara band yg terawal ialah Spitrap, sebuah band Grunge yg di anggotai beberapa nak muda dan Snugarage, sebuah band garage punk yg paling aktif ketika itu. Pada tahun 1995, scene kami kembali mengorak langkah dengan kewujudan gig pertama yg di beri nama "First Of All". Beberapa band telah muncul utk mempraktikkan bakat mereka antaranya ialah, Snugarage, Sound Pollution (Grunge), Mystry (street punk), dan beberapa band lagi. (Aku terlupa lak..sowie). Dan pada tahun ini juga beberapa buah zine telah muncul antaranya ialah S.N.F.U, Nocturnal Slave (pure metal magazine), Butter Trade (punkzine), Logam Maut (pureDIY metal zine). Pada tahun 1996, gig kedua telah diadakan, "Second Slam". Antara band yg perform pada gig ni ialah Bombsquad(grunge), Mystry (street punk), Rumble Paradox (street/Britpunk), AkuGemoJoe (punk Rock), Bat Spink (Punk Rock), The Creeps( indie), dan sebuah band jemputan dari Kluang Johor, iaitu No Security (PunkHC/80Brit-style). No Security telah membuka mata crowd semua dengan cara persembahan yg amat baik sekali. Pada tahun itu juga gig yg ketiga telah, "Rebel With A Cause", kali ini kami telah memberani kan diri utk menjemput band luar seperti The Bollocks, NET, Boot Off, Submarine. Tapi sayang sekali kerana The Bollocks dan NET tidak dapat menghadirkan diri meraka utk menjayakan gig ini. Dan juga sebuah band telah muncul, iaitu Subversive, sebuah band HCPunk yg paling aktif di Segamat. Tapi amat menyedihkan pada tahun 1997, banyak band dan zine telah RIP. Dan tak aktif. Tetapi tidak bagi band Subversive, ia masih aktif hingga ke hari ni. Tapi pada tahun 1997 scene kami dilanda pembaharuan. Scene kami telah di beri nama kepada "Segamat Town Underground".Beberapa movement skinhead dan punk telah wujud ketika itu dengan followers yg agak ramai. Dan mereka amat aktif dan mempunyai hubungan rapat dengan beberapa daerah dan negeri. Ini adalah pertumbuhan yg amat memberansangkan. Dan beberapa band, zine, gig telah wujud. Juga sebuah perancangan untuk membuka studio sendiri telah di laksanakan. Tetapi akibat beberapa masalah rancangan itu tidak dapat di laksanakan. Utk tahun ini, 1999 adalah tahun paling baik sekali, dan movement kami di beri nama,"Very Fresh Underground". Banyak kemudahan utk mengaktifkan semula scene kami. Beberapa projek telah di rancang. Dan penubuhan band yg aktif dan bermesej telah wujud seperti Hell Army(NoiseHC), OffSide(HC), Subversive(HCPunk), dan beberapa buah band lain seperti Roots Rules(ska), Battlegrounds(Grunge), Spykids (oi!), Do Riang Tembagarr (Punk Rock) dll. Zine pula ialah Vocalize Theory (skinzine), Nonsense(Punk…RIP), Excallater Zine, Nuctornal Slave (pure matel zine and distro) dan beberapa distro dan projek seperti MIND.A distro (RIP), Eksyen Newsletter, Very Fresh Underground Distro. Ok, bagi sesiapa yg berminat utk datang melawat scene kami, anda amat di alu alukan. Tapi jangan lupa hubungi kami dulu.    By Pisspang